Proposed lockout changes in QLD & how they're WRONG!
Saturday, 17 April 2010 16:20![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
rockfotzeFor all of those not in Queensland, you may not be aware of the proposed changes being discussed in parliament about what times venues around the state can trade, what time lockouts should be and how public transport and police presence should be adjusted to crack down on alcohol-related violence, particularly in entertainment districts like Fortitude Valley (where I live and socialise). It's been a HUGE issue, especially to those involved in the entertainment and music industries, and there's a great concern that we're facing a situation where nightclubs, bars and live music venues will be forced to close earlier because of a few trouble-makers who the law apparently cannot touch.
I am not an expert on this whole situation but I am one of the many people concerned by how adversely these changes will affect the Nightlife in Queensland and may even cause loss of jobs for those who work at these venues (ie. students, shift workers etc). I've always thought the 3am lockout we have is ridiculous and has caused more issues than itwas meant to fix. As someone who lives and socialises in the Valley, I see the trouble caused when people can't get into venues at 3am and find themselves drunk and without their friends and have to go line up in the excessive cab lines full of other drunken, frustrated people. No wonder there's so much violence! It's an undesirable situation for anyone, and bringing that time from 3am to 2am will just make the problem a whole lot worse.
In an ideal world, everyone would listen to me and follow my super-awesome, informed decisions. Obviously that doesn't happen (yet) so I will just tell you all my thoughts anyway and hope maybe someone will listen to me and realise I may know a bit of what I am talking about. First of all, there should be NO lockout at all. All the lockout does is cause people to foolishly leave clubs and make a mad dash to another club (for no real reason except "OMG it's almost lockout, let's go to some other club just because we won't be able to go there after 3 and maybe it's better than this one") which inevitably leaves a lot of people on the streets because their drunken perception of time and distance meant they missed lockout by a couple of minutes. Needless to say, this pisses people off and since they have nowhere to go and so they have to make their sorry ways home. Therefore at 3am the taxi lines are bloated beyond belief, all full of these frustrated punters who were keen to stay out longer, and facing an hour wait for a cab while they slowly sober up, whichonly infuriates them further. Meanwhile the people who managed to get into (or just stayed in) a club before lockout, who decide to leave the venue after 3am are faced with these now half-sober, angry people whose moods are all their worst. Tempers flare up, fights happen and people get hurt.
If lockout was abolished and we could come and go as we pleased, there would be no more late-minute dashes between clubs before 3am and people would leave the venue and the Valley at their leisure. A lot of people would probably not stay out so long as most people feel the need to stay til at least 3am, and those who do want a big night can rest assured they have until closing time at 5am (which should also be extended, by the way) in which to visit various bars, pubs and clubs. It would also mean, those who leave clubs after 3am and find the cab lines are horrendous or that they missed the night bus, have the option togo back into a venue, which is a hell of a lot safer than spending the next hour amongst a broad range of drunk individuals who are probably itching for a fight.
Personally I don't think there is a solution to late night, alcohol-induced violece. Aussies love drinking and there's always going that unfortunate contingent of people who also enjoy fighting. Taking away the rights of the well-meaning majority because of the actions of the few obnoxious lout's hell bent on picking fights and causing trouble is UNFAIR.We need to get rid of the bad elements and work towards making things safer for everyone else. Our public transport is atrocious and needs to run at times that coincide with venue trading hours, there needs to be a increased police presence to match the amount of people out and about (this should be a no-brainer but apparently isn't) and we need services to help the people who overdo it and can get assistance before they do further damage and have to be taken away in an ambulance (is it Ravesafe who do this at the moment, or another group of volunteers?).
Let's face it, we can't stop people from wanting to go out drinking, so we need to make it as safe as possible for all who do and NOT let a bunch of middle aged politicians make decisions about the things they have NO clue about!
Somee links of note in regards to this topic:
Queensland Locked Out
Queensland's earlier pub closing plan angers public
Venues brand 2am lockout 'a return to Joh era'
Feel free to tell me your thoughts on this matter and give me some more links to add!
I am not an expert on this whole situation but I am one of the many people concerned by how adversely these changes will affect the Nightlife in Queensland and may even cause loss of jobs for those who work at these venues (ie. students, shift workers etc). I've always thought the 3am lockout we have is ridiculous and has caused more issues than itwas meant to fix. As someone who lives and socialises in the Valley, I see the trouble caused when people can't get into venues at 3am and find themselves drunk and without their friends and have to go line up in the excessive cab lines full of other drunken, frustrated people. No wonder there's so much violence! It's an undesirable situation for anyone, and bringing that time from 3am to 2am will just make the problem a whole lot worse.
In an ideal world, everyone would listen to me and follow my super-awesome, informed decisions. Obviously that doesn't happen (yet) so I will just tell you all my thoughts anyway and hope maybe someone will listen to me and realise I may know a bit of what I am talking about. First of all, there should be NO lockout at all. All the lockout does is cause people to foolishly leave clubs and make a mad dash to another club (for no real reason except "OMG it's almost lockout, let's go to some other club just because we won't be able to go there after 3 and maybe it's better than this one") which inevitably leaves a lot of people on the streets because their drunken perception of time and distance meant they missed lockout by a couple of minutes. Needless to say, this pisses people off and since they have nowhere to go and so they have to make their sorry ways home. Therefore at 3am the taxi lines are bloated beyond belief, all full of these frustrated punters who were keen to stay out longer, and facing an hour wait for a cab while they slowly sober up, whichonly infuriates them further. Meanwhile the people who managed to get into (or just stayed in) a club before lockout, who decide to leave the venue after 3am are faced with these now half-sober, angry people whose moods are all their worst. Tempers flare up, fights happen and people get hurt.
If lockout was abolished and we could come and go as we pleased, there would be no more late-minute dashes between clubs before 3am and people would leave the venue and the Valley at their leisure. A lot of people would probably not stay out so long as most people feel the need to stay til at least 3am, and those who do want a big night can rest assured they have until closing time at 5am (which should also be extended, by the way) in which to visit various bars, pubs and clubs. It would also mean, those who leave clubs after 3am and find the cab lines are horrendous or that they missed the night bus, have the option togo back into a venue, which is a hell of a lot safer than spending the next hour amongst a broad range of drunk individuals who are probably itching for a fight.
Personally I don't think there is a solution to late night, alcohol-induced violece. Aussies love drinking and there's always going that unfortunate contingent of people who also enjoy fighting. Taking away the rights of the well-meaning majority because of the actions of the few obnoxious lout's hell bent on picking fights and causing trouble is UNFAIR.We need to get rid of the bad elements and work towards making things safer for everyone else. Our public transport is atrocious and needs to run at times that coincide with venue trading hours, there needs to be a increased police presence to match the amount of people out and about (this should be a no-brainer but apparently isn't) and we need services to help the people who overdo it and can get assistance before they do further damage and have to be taken away in an ambulance (is it Ravesafe who do this at the moment, or another group of volunteers?).
Let's face it, we can't stop people from wanting to go out drinking, so we need to make it as safe as possible for all who do and NOT let a bunch of middle aged politicians make decisions about the things they have NO clue about!
Somee links of note in regards to this topic:
Queensland Locked Out
Queensland's earlier pub closing plan angers public
Venues brand 2am lockout 'a return to Joh era'
Feel free to tell me your thoughts on this matter and give me some more links to add!
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Date: 17/4/10 14:23 (UTC)When I was in Brisbane fortunately this wasn't an issue (2005 and 2008), but as my life goal is to move and live and work there, I find this issue very interesting. Especially as I also LOVE to drink, haha. Have you thought about contacting someone with these ideas? Just to let them know how the people they supposedly serve feel? I'm not sure how it works there but maybe if you turned this into some kind of petition, it would be official enough to at least take notice of (even if they disregard what it says).
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Date: 18/4/10 02:33 (UTC)I know a few of the people behind the QLD Locked Out site who ran the protest in the City recently and are campaigning endlessly to prevent the Govt making a silly, misinformed decisions that will affect the lives of young people (both in the music industry and those who just enjoy going out). I'd like to think my thoughts would be listened to but I figure they'd probably fall on deaf ears as they have from anyone else. I just figure the more stuff written on the internet by concerned citizens the better it will be to assist the pollies to make the right decision!
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Date: 17/4/10 14:28 (UTC)You also can't buy alcohol on Sundays. I live in Puritan times. :(
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Date: 18/4/10 02:42 (UTC)Knowing other cities around the world have it different (ie. worse off) to us makes me feel like we QLDers are being spoiled brats. BUT the rest of Australia has venues that trade til 5am without dicky lockouts, so having the 3am lockout, let alone the proposed 2am lockout/4am closing times, means we'll be so far behind the rest of the country!
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Date: 17/4/10 15:34 (UTC)no subject
Date: 17/4/10 15:34 (UTC)no subject
Date: 18/4/10 02:46 (UTC)The infuriating thing these old farts seem to think we all just go out til 5am tto get excessively pissed and cause trouble. For a small percentage of people that is true, but for the majority we want to go out and have fun and excessive drinking/stupid fighting isn't what we're after at all.
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Date: 17/4/10 16:24 (UTC)remember 10 years ago when the valley used to pretty much just be the happy dancy drugged up gay club kids and the city was where all the bogans looking to fight hung out. i miss those times.
most american clubs close at 2am i think, no lockout they just close. when i tell people that back home the clubs are open till 5am they can't believe it, "wow so lucky" they say.
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Date: 18/4/10 02:51 (UTC)They need to get more clubs back in the City so the yobbish City folk go back and leave the valley to be the fun place it used to be. As much as I do ove RnB music, they shouldn't have brought all those venues into the valley as I do believe they bring a bad element to the valley (ie. wiggas and wannabe gangsta's).
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Date: 18/4/10 03:00 (UTC)no subject
Date: 19/4/10 05:34 (UTC)What idiots.